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Post by sheetmetal2 on Jan 12, 2011 20:33:22 GMT -5
Something was brought to my attention this last week and I wanted to hear everyones thoughts. I believe the intent of this class was to make a slower maybe more budgeted class and I believe we have succeeded. We made the decision to not allow computer controlled speed controls to keep things like timing and boost and any other new thing that may come up out. We omitted to say anything about the motors. So my question is this. Should timing be allowed in the motors? Should it be manditory that any motor that has adjustable timing be set at 0?
Someone said something about it this weekend and it got me thinking. What does everyone else think?
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Post by tmaxx26power on Jan 12, 2011 21:18:11 GMT -5
I think having to run the motors at zero timing would even the class more especially for those running non adjustable motors. I myself have been running at zero but do plan to try some timing added this weekend to see the effects which I'm sure will make a big difference in the 17.5s Just throwing 10 degrees more at my 10.5 car makes a huge change in lap times. I'm all for what ever that makes the racing more competitive and more a driver and car setup challenge then an electronics war.
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Post by The Big X on Jan 12, 2011 22:34:22 GMT -5
My question is what motors can't you put timing in??
I say let it go. Its 3 screws crank them up if you wish.....
I buy my motors Dynoed to run at their best not to turn them down. Yet they still cost the same so its not a money issue at all.
I will NOT mess with my Dynoed motor as far as turning it down thats what I paid for.
We could go to straight DODC rules as far as Spec Battery-Spec Motor-Spec esc. But get your checkbook out as that would cost you more $$ and probably cut the class in half.
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Post by sheetmetal2 on Jan 12, 2011 22:41:16 GMT -5
I know Novak motors can not be timed. I don't think anyone wants the DODC rule package for the exact reason you brought up. We all know that not all motors are created equally so yes it kind of is a money issue but that may or may not have anything to do with timing.
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Post by Neisteadt on Jan 12, 2011 23:28:34 GMT -5
I understand where Chris is coming from on this one, but agree with Chad.
My motor came to me dyno tuned for the best possible performance, and I don’t intend to ever change that.
I think the competition in that class is the best of any of our oval classes, and the top two cars simply out handling the rest of us, and that is why they’re seeing the consistent results they are. The fastest cars in this class aren’t winning by blowing by everyone on the straightaway, the cars corner beautifully. If you watch, they don’t hop, the nose of the car doesn’t push and the rear tires don’t break loose.
I love the class as it is.
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Post by briancox on Jan 13, 2011 14:19:29 GMT -5
take a VOTE!
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Post by racer6 on Jan 13, 2011 17:09:33 GMT -5
Leave it I would say.
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Post by sheetmetal2 on Jan 13, 2011 19:53:28 GMT -5
I don't have any plans for changing it. I think that it is always a bad idea to change rules midway through the season especially when you have good car counts. We make the rules at the beginning of the season for a reason. I just wanted to hear everyones thoughts on this issue possibly for next year or food for thought other classes in the future. Unless a very large majority were wanting to change it.
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Post by BSchorr on Jan 14, 2011 0:39:49 GMT -5
Zero timing on one motor isnt the same on the next motor... Granted. they prolly are pretty clost. Some have more torque or RPM then others. I think the Novak SS fixed timing have a lower rpm/higher torque rating compared to a Orion/Trinity motor.. Where LRP's have a higher RPM and are not adjustable.
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Post by jheerde on Jan 14, 2011 14:46:07 GMT -5
This is just an outsiders opion on this subject, wht not have a motor claim rule. if one guy thinks that someones car is way faster than theirs let them buy the motor at the cost of a new one. I agree with everyone on the motor timing i say run them i think that all the cars are farly evenly matched for speed, but there are some cars that handle alot beter than others. If you guys do this motor claim rule than anyone can get the motoer they want and the person that sells his motor has at least a week to get another one.
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Post by harv on Jan 15, 2011 0:03:24 GMT -5
A motor claim rule would only make our car count diminish.
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Post by boo on Jan 15, 2011 0:17:45 GMT -5
Not really. We had this rule before, and I only remember someone using the rule once or twice, and it did keep everybody in check in fear of loosing a motor and points for the weekend if the car(s) in question are not legal.
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Post by knr-racing99 on Sept 24, 2011 19:54:53 GMT -5
Hey guys, sorry to resurrect an old thread but figured this would be the best place for my questions. Been following the news and developments in the plans for this winters indoor racing and am planing on making the trip down for a race or two. (17.5 EDM)
What compound tires would you recamend? (will be running a converted B4) Also, can I use my Kinetic esc if it's set into "blinky" mode, or would you all prefer I run my GTB?
Thanks guys!!!!
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Post by Neisteadt on Sept 24, 2011 21:20:14 GMT -5
As for the ESC, I'm not familiar with a Kinetic... so i'm not sure. Most of us have Tekin ESC sets to the stock mode. Basically, its any ESC that doesn't add timing. The motor CAN have timing.
As far as the tires, we had guys in that class running all sorts of different tires last year. Most of us buy up used foam tires from dirt oval racers, true them down a little bit and they're perfect for carpet. You don't need to go crazy and get super soft tires, purples work just fine. You can groove them or leave them as slicks, that doesn't seem to matter much on the carpet. Some people were using traction compounds, others were not.
KNR, I'm curious. We're kicking around the idea of changing our 10.5 EDM class too.
If we do this, we'll have 2 options. (1) 10.5 motor with non-timing ESC or (2) 17.5 motor with open ESC.
Would that interest you? Anyone else thoughts on this?
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Post by knr-racing99 on Sept 25, 2011 8:33:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the quick reply. The Kinetic is very much identical to the Tekin RS and I can set in stock mode with no timing. As long as I know the rules before hand as not to cause any problems if I show up and am not within the specs with no way to change things.
As far as the options of 10.5 blinky or 17.5 open. I am not sure. I found on the dirt this summer up here (Watertown) even a 17.5 with about 30 degrees was a lot faster than I anticipated. So I would like to start out with 17.5 blinky and go from there. I have never run one of these cars on carpet. All my carpet stuff is pan cars. Let me know what you all want and I can adjust my stuff to fit.
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Post by tmaxx26power on Sept 25, 2011 18:20:27 GMT -5
If your wanting to run 17.5 I suggest you jump into our 17.5 Blinky class. It's plenty fast and alot of fun
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Post by knr-racing99 on Sept 26, 2011 16:35:37 GMT -5
If your wanting to run 17.5 I suggest you jump into our 17.5 Blinky class. It's plenty fast and alot of fun Sounds good to me. Have the tires ordered. Now with needing to cut down tires, is someone at the track have the truer for that? With my truer I can do the fronts but do not have the capability(arbor) to do rears.
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